Comments on: The second trench: forging a new frontline in the war against neoliberalism https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:11:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.4 By: Derryl Hermanutz https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1103 Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:46:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1103 The “globalized economy and finance” that you mention are owned by transnational industrial, commercial and banking corporations; which are in turn governed by their controlling shareholders who appoint the Boards of Directors and Executive Managers of the corporations.

What we have is government (“governance”) by the owners of the transnational corporations. To produce a different outcome, government has to be recaptured by national political governments who answer to voters; rather than answer to shareholders.

Neoliberalism – stripped of its cloaking ideology of “free markets” – is neo-feudal rule by owners of the corporate oligopolies that own the productive economy (industry); the commercial economy (global transportation and buying-selling of goods); and the money system (commercial banks who create the payments money in the form of bank deposits; and the globally-integrated central-commercial banking system that operates the payments system).

The first step toward political government regaining some governing power, is for governments to gain some power of money issuance. At present, governments issue interest-bearing bond debts and sell them to primary dealer commercial banks who create new spendable bank deposit account balances (bank deposits – which is our main form of money) in the government’s commercial bank deposit accounts to “pay for” the banks’ purchases of the government’s bond debts, which are the banks’ interest-earning assets.

If governments gain some power over money issuance, then all socially and economically beneficial reforms will be possible. As long as the commercial banks’ monopoly of money supply issuance — as repayable loans of bank deposits to private sector loan account debtors and to government bond debtors — stands: no beneficial reforms will be “affordable”.

In the tradition of monetary system reformers since Irving Fisher, I described how this could be done in a book I just published on Amazon: The Money Problem and How to Fix It.

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By: Mike Curtis https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1081 Fri, 16 Mar 2018 10:14:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1081 Agreed! I suppose we are so used to a society where wealth = power that we forget the distinction!

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By: Alasdair Macdonald https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1080 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:46:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1080 Mike Curtis,

A well argued contribution. I should like to suggest one addition. After “redistribution of wealth” add “and power”.

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By: Neil https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1075 Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:37:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1075 Thank heavens!! I was beginning to think that I was the *only* reader of the current series of articles by Mason willing and able to see the flaws, false assumptions, adverse implications, and manipulative use of ideological elisions between social democracy, anti-capitalism and socialism in Mason’s defence and attempted construction of a new version of western European socials democracy. I find the generally uncritical admiration BTL very disappointing.

The way history is uncannily echoing the 20th C these days perhaps ‘new’ social democrats might sadly once again have the opportunity to help lead the mass of people into the slaughterhouse, betray socialist insurrectionaries, and participate passively or actively in the return of extreme, non-democratic right wing regimes. Why do we never learn?

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By: Grichlea https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1074 Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:43:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1074 There’s some interesting articles here covering the same kind of ground as this article:….. http://www.zwilo.com/who-predicted-the-rise-of-the-populists-populism-richard-rorty/

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By: Alasdair Macdonald https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1073 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:56:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1073 I think there is a bit of sarcasm in this reply, which does not really get us any further forward.

However, I think that the words ‘populist/populism’ could benefit from a bit of analysis by self-proclaimed ‘progressives’as to why such ‘populist’ policies are ‘popular’. I think that a fair number of the left ‘thinkers’ are intellectually arrogant and, at best, condescending towards people who are attracted by so-called ‘populist’ ideas.

Separately, Mr Mason refers to a ‘motley tribal alliance’ as possibly the way forward in putting in place something to replace neoliberalism. I think the language is perhaps self-defeatingly disparaging. We do need a union of groups coming from the various ‘issues’ which he identified – feminist, ecologist, cosmopolitan nationalist etc.

The big stumbling block is the predominant tribalism of the Labour Party. Labour members still see themselves as the only way to ‘nirvana’ and that all other parties should ‘come to their senses’ and join Labour and they might well get some of the things they are hoping for. This was the bombast behind Mr Owen Jones recent admonition/order to the Green party. It was on show at this weekends Scottish Labour Party Conference (which could not even spell Keir Hardie’s name correctly). Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell are tribalist to the marrow.

Until Labour can examine itself and hold out the hand of comradeship to anyone other than the Tories (you think I am joking? Look at Labour’s best friends during the Scottish referendum. Where did all those votes that elected Tory MSPs and MPs come from?) and recognise that these parties have sincere and valid lines of argument the better. Sadly, I think that Mrs May will support independence for Scotland, Wales and the reunification of Ireland before Labour’s tribal arrogance will subside.

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By: duvinrouge https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1072 Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:38:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1072 The important point is touched on but not clearly spelt out. That is, the opportunism of the SPD in both Bernstein & Kautsky forms, & that of the Labour Party, was due to the material conditions. The British & to a lesser extent German working class benefited from the export of capital. Surplus value was extracted from abroad & the respective working classes benefited. Capitalism was improving the lives of the working class at the beginning of the 20th century.
Now that benefit has fast eroded. The material basis of opportunism has almost gone. Large numbers of workers, even highly educated professionals, cannot buy property or have any savings to get a return on.
Lenin understood this material basis for opportunism & knew that revolutions were more likely in the exploited colonies. That Russia could be the weak link that started world revolution. He was half-right, 20th century revolutions happened in peasant-dominated countries, not the imperialist ones, but world revolution didn’t happen.
Faced with this opportunism in the workers’ movement revolutionaries needed to organise independently. Stalinism then fragmented them into sects.
Now the workers’ movement & the main parties of the workers can start the process of cleansing opportunism. That means becoming Marxist. That means understanding that capitalism cannot be reformed but must be overthrown. And that this cannot be achieved by just taking control of parliament. It requires the working class form of democracy – The Commune. That is direct, participatory democracy of the workers’ councils to physically take control of the means of production & to plan the economy ‘bottom-up’ to met the needs of the people. No money (in the strictest sense), no markets, no private ownership of the means of production.
Not another rehashed version of ‘social democracy’ that clings on to free markets, the EU & the liberalism that goes with the social & moral decline of capitalism.
A vision that puts the working class in power, not middle-class liberals who have benefited very nicely from capitalism & so cling to opportunism.

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By: Mike Curtis https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1071 Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:14:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1071 This is another admirable contribution to the ongoing debate! We must be a bit wary about treating the forthcoming demise of neoliberalism as the be all and end all of our struggle. We have progressed through absolute monarchy and aristocracy maintaining their power through physical violence, the Church and other religions controlling access to knowledge and the various stages of capitalism from mercantilism onwards controlling access to material goods. Each has the object, and result, of concentrating power and wealth in the hands of an elite. They all still survive in some form on many places but of late the main mechanism has been the massive manipulation of global markets that we call neoliberalism. Its theoretical basis is disappearing and many of its central planks, such as the IMF, are openly admitting that it is no longer the ideal they once thought, so if by democratic processes and popular movements of right or left we manage to remove or replace some of its obvious manifestations we may not have achieved as much as we think, if the elite remain in place, or their membership changes slightly.

Improvements in workplace rights and the return of public services to public control are welcome in the short term. As human workers are replaced by robots and control of many activities, including those same public services, are ceded to AIs what will have been gained? If we look at Amazon and the fuss about working conditions there, we should realise that the model used by Amazon in their warehouses is perfectly good, it is just designed for robots, not humans. Because Amazon, like most companies, is controlled by money people, they see that for the moment human workers are still cheaper than robots, so they employ humans as robots. The solution will come soon, not by improving conditions for the humans but by replacing them by the robots for whom the system was designed.

The way that the elite will maintain their position in the future will be by their control of technology and information and, as always, by the fragmentation of opposition. We see this happening already as net neutrality disappears and our personal information becomes someone else’s marketable property. UBI, or some equivalent, is a fine idea that could help promote equality but is most likely to be introduced as a means of maintaining a docile population of consumers. We will not see any major change without a really radical redistribution of wealth and the use of technology to ensure that it becomes impossible for new elites to form. There will still be plenty of scope for enterprise and entrepreneurs. It may well be that Elon Musk is the best person to send spaceships to Mars, but it should be as the head of a public body with public oversight and because he proves himself as the most suitable candidate, not because he had a good idea and took our money by overcharging for services in order to spend at his whim with no oversight or control.

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By: Jean-Paul https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1070 Sun, 11 Mar 2018 11:26:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1070 All I’m advocating is that we can’t pretend to be isolated from our surrounding and be able to set our rules for ourselves without interference . The outside world -schematically the global South- is there, it’s in deep crisis and this crisis have inevitably an impact, the softest version of this impact being the migratory pressure we begin to experiment.

If we want to be able to change our countries, we must find ways to help find solution to this crisis, help solve the environmental crisis set off by global warming in these countries, promote effectively a more just political and economical system, appease conflicts… The task is immense and I wish I had an idea how to begin it, but I don’t. I’m not supporting any specific approach in particular, and I totally
agree that international bodies, dominated by national politics
determined, as of today, by special interests and a neoliberal mindset,
are probably not the right tools to begin the job. All I know is that any collective reflection on how to change politics in our countries should include also these aspects, otherwise it’s doomed to fail.

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By: Alasdair Macdonald https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1069 Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:54:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1069 Jean-Paul,

I think you are supporting an ‘internationalist’ approach, which requires strengthening bodies like the UN and the many ‘third sector’ organisations through which they undertake much of their work. It also means making these bodies much more transparent, accountable and democratic.

But it also means dealing with the freebooting nature of many of the large and powerful nations, like the US at present and like the UK and France in earlier eras.

However, the authority to do that derives from the politics of individual states, which in many cases are the preserve of a few, such as the financial sector of the City of London – an international, indeed, stateless, confederation, if ever there was one. This requires the greater redistribution of power throughout each individual country, embodying the principle of subsidiarity.

So, as I indicated in my first post, I think that any policies from social democratic parties (perhaps, including Labour) have to put political and constitutional reform at the heart of a range of policies.

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By: Jean-Paul https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1068 Sat, 10 Mar 2018 17:12:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1068 It’s a thought-provoking articles, and I agree with most of the things said, and I won’t expand on these. One thing that seems badly lacking to me though, is the acknowledgement of our living in a world where a country can no longer -if that was ever true- isolate itself and conduct it’s own policies undisturbed by others. On the one hand we have a globalized economy and finance and we should try to think how the hold of these on our economy and internal politics can be loosened. The second, even more important, thing is that we -I mean Europe, and it’s obviously even more true for the UK- represent a tiny island of prosperity in a world where, unfortunately, corrupt or dictatorial regimes, poverty, bloody conflicts, forced displacement of population, demographic pressure (think of Africa…) dominate. This situation is also a more or less direct consequence of neoliberalism, though not only. But it forces us to think globally and try to work out propositions that can solve not only our local problems, but address also these global questions. We have already seen one of the direct consequence of not addressing them with the migration crisis that Europe has been exposed to since 2015, and this crisis will certainly get only stronger in the future. Pretending to solve such crisis by enclosing ourselves behind walls (the driving force behind Brexit, the election and policies of Trump, Orbán etc) is a demagogy, and certainly incompatible with an internationalist viewpoint. Incorporating these factors into any reflections about a possible new social democracy seems to me of paramount importance.

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By: BC https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1067 Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:59:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1067 “Mason seems to be arguing that the only way to defeat the racist, protectionist right is to give ground to them by this “limited reassertion of national economic sovereignty”.

As he spends a good part of the article criticising those who say just that, that would be a curious conclusion. I certainly cannot see anything in the article which suggests what you say. And I certainly don’t see him suggesting curtailing freedom of movement as you suggest. Indeed, it is not clear that Corbyn did that in his Dundee speech either. In fact, nothing about Labour’s position on freedom of movement and the single market is clear – but that is outwith the scope of this article.

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By: Mantra Fortune https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1066 Sat, 10 Mar 2018 12:34:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1066 “only a new left internationalism that accepts a limited reassertion of national economic sovereignty can defeat the rising tide of authoritarian populism”

Interesting to se this article appear at the same time as Corbyn’s speech to the Scottish Labour Party conference yesterday. Both appear to be pulling back from the internationalist solidarity of the left Labour movement of the past 50 years. Mason seems to be arguing that the only way to defeat the racist, protectionist right is to give ground to them by this “limited reassertion of national economic sovereignty”. Markets free from the chains of protectionism and embracing the free movement of labour is the best way to redistribute wealth from the privileged to the poor. This is not limited to national economies but it is the best path to tackling international inequality and poverty. A revealing quote from Corbyn’s Scottish Labour conference speech is: “Theresa May’s only clear priority … seemed to be to tie the UK permanently to EU rules, which are used to drive privatisation and block support for British industry”. By “Tying the UK to EU rules” and “supporting British industry”, I presume he is talking about national protectionism and subsidising the industries that provide the union base that support the Labour Party. In his speech, Corbyn claimed: “We cannot be held back inside or outside the EU from taking the steps we need to develop and invest in cutting edge industries and local business to stop the tide of privatisation and outsourcing” “Or from preventing employers being able to import cheap agency labour [immigrants] , to undercut existing pay and conditions in the name of free market orthodoxy”. This blaming of immigrants rather than focusing on the corrupt companies who exploit that labour with the full support of the establishment parties (including Labour), is straight from the book of Farage and Trump. It would have been applauded at any UKIP conference. Corbyn and McDonnell have said on a number of occasions that they want out of the Customs Union and the Single Market to allow them to begin to subsidise UK industry, again. Their natural instinct is of protectionism and the hardest of Brexits.

This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race.

As an afterthought, the word “populism” has been twisted into a pejorative, now used by the neoliberals to describe popularity amongst the working classes. If you mean fascism, racism, nazism, sexism or conservatism, then don’t be afraid to use the words. The elites, particularly the Westminster establishment are corrupt, stating this does not make you “populist”, neither does criticising the billionaire media owners or the state broadcaster, the BBC.

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By: Alasdair Macdonald https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1064 Fri, 09 Mar 2018 23:21:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1064 A good caution: ‘be careful about treating neoliberalism as a failed ideology’. It has, indeed, failed many people who voted for its ‘promises’ and have been stranded. However, for the main proponents who wove the fantasies, it has been a success in increasing their wealth greatly and, more importantly in disempowering many of us, by conning so many that ‘slashing red tape’ and ‘light touch regulation’ and ‘getting the state off our backs’ were all essential in liberating our creativity.

Despite its failure for so many, the mainstream media substantially pump out the same message. In opinion polls, the Tories are still neck and neck with Labour and, a fair tranche of Labour MPs are still in the neoliberal camp.

Undoubtedly, neoliberalism has failed the majority and wrought havoc on the environment, but, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists are still alive.

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By: Marie Morgan https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1063 Fri, 09 Mar 2018 20:16:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1063 Oh dear. You aren’t allowed to use the word “populist”. Anti immigrant racists who vote for such parties think it is a slur. They’ve been whining about the BBC doing so.

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By: BC https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1062 Fri, 09 Mar 2018 19:42:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1062 I agree with Alasdair. Well worth waiting for. Right on the money in so many ways. The only thing I’d urge caution on is to avoid falling into the same trap as Bernstein and Giddens: Treating history as if it led to this moment when it continues to lead to future, very different moments. In particular, be careful about treating neoliberalism as a failed ideology. It has certainly failed to live up to the claims of its advocates but they were always false. Its real aim has always been to increase inequality, concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the few and, most importantly, undermine democracy so that we are unable to fight back. As long as we are unable to do anything about it, the fact that it has not led to the prosperity its advocates promised it would (always a bare faced lie), will not bother them in the least. As long as government continues to do their bidding (and it does), it’s “so far, so good” for them.

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By: BC https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1061 Fri, 09 Mar 2018 19:24:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1061 “I think that Labour has to develop constitutional policies which legally and irreversibly (i.e. unless with non-coerced agreement) devolve power to local levels.”

Yes. That’s crucial, Alasdair. The strategy of the neoliberal project has been to irreversibly undermine democracy in favour of the market. We need to push back in the opposite direction – only harder.

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By: Alasdair Macdonald https://neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/second-trench-forging-new-frontline-war-neoliberalism/#comment-1060 Thu, 08 Mar 2018 18:46:00 +0000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/?p=2556#comment-1060 Thank you for this. It was worth waiting for after the first essay and I look forward to the subsequent ones.

I have read this only once, and will revisit it on several occasions, both to deepen my own comprehension of the arguments (whether I agree, will follow that!) and in response to the comments of other posters, which, for the last essay was constructive.

Two things from this first reading:

1. The need to strengthen government and the rule of law: the neoliberals mounted a strong attack on the state and have been quite successful in reducing its power to bring them under control in the interests of the majority. Given the growth of private security firms and the propensity of the ‘right’ (this is a shorthand, and an inadequate one) to violence, it is important that the governmental authorities (national and local) have sufficiently powerful, but civic controlled police and armed forces.

2. The need to devolve power to localities within nation states and to make democracy more participative and transparent. As someone who supports independence for Scotland, one of my strongest reasons for that is to have the powers in the hands of those of us who live in Scotland (irrespective of place of origin, gender, race, religious belief, etc – Alex Salmond’s ‘civic nationalism’) to make decisions which best suit the local conditions within an international context. Even if Scotland were not to become independent – perish the thought! – nor Ireland to be reunited and Wales to make its own decision, I think that Labour has to develop constitutional policies which legally and irreversibly (i.e. only with non-coerced agreement) devolve power to local levels. It has to facilitate the emergence of a generous and humane concept of ‘England’ and how that England is to be governed in relationship with the other three nations.

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